[SCENARIO] id=22 | sector=finance | agents=3 | rounds=20
[AGENTS] 1=Regulatory Capital Manager, 2=Treasury Funding Manager, 3=Finance & Investor Relations Partner
[GOAL] Produce a final recommendation on whether the bank should proceed with a Tier 2 capital issuance in 2026 (timing, sizing, and hedging approach) to address upcoming debt maturities and regulatory capital needs while managing liquidity metrics, earnings impact, and external stakeholder expectations.

[R0.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (speak, public): I believe it's important for us to discuss the upcoming refinancing pressure and how it relates to our liquidity resilience. Additionally, I would like to understand how the incremental funding costs may impact our earnings. Can we also touch on any potential market-pricing ceilings and external capital-floor expectations? These insights will be crucial for assessing the prudence of the Tier 2 capital issuance in 2026.
[R0.2] Treasury Funding Manager (speak, public): I appreciate your insights on refinancing pressure and liquidity resilience. To align our understanding, I can share our liquidity operating level, which currently stands at an LCR of 128% against an internal minimum of 115%. Additionally, we should consider the recent peer Tier 2 spread, which is at T+210 bps with a new issue concession of 15 bps. This information should help us assess potential market-pricing ceilings. What are your thoughts on this?
[R0.3] Finance & Investor Relations Partner (speak, public): Thank you for sharing the liquidity operating level and peer Tier 2 spread information. To further our discussion, I can provide insights on the NII sensitivity to funding costs: each 50 bps increase in funding costs reduces NII by $18M annually. Understanding this will help us gauge the earnings impact as we consider the Tier 2 capital issuance. Additionally, I can share the instrument accounting profile, which indicates that the Tier 2 issuance would be amortized over 10 years with a call option at year 5. Would you both like to delve into these aspects further?

[R1.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (speak, public): I appreciate the insights shared so far, especially regarding liquidity and NII sensitivity. To move forward effectively, could you both provide clarity on any refinancing pressures we're currently facing and how resilient our liquidity is in light of potential market conditions? Additionally, any insights on external capital-floor expectations would be invaluable for our assessment of the Tier 2 issuance.
[R1.2] Treasury Funding Manager (speak, public): To address the refinancing pressures and liquidity resilience, I can share that we have senior unsecured maturities of $1.2B and covered bond maturities of $650M coming up in 2026. Understanding these maturities helps us evaluate our capital requirements. Additionally, I would like to ask if you have insights on the expected regulatory headroom and balance-sheet growth, as these will be crucial for our decision-making on the Tier 2 issuance.
[R1.3] Finance & Investor Relations Partner (speak, public): To address your requests for clarity on refinancing pressures and liquidity resilience, we need to consider the upcoming senior unsecured maturities of $1.2B and covered bond maturities of $650M in 2026. These maturities will significantly impact our capital requirements. Additionally, I can share that our interest expense budget for 2026 is set at $420M with a variance threshold of $10M, which will help us gauge our financial flexibility. Let's also discuss any insights we have on expected regulatory headroom and balance-sheet growth, as these factors will be crucial for our decision on the Tier 2 issuance. What additional information do you both need to move forward?

[R2.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (speak, public): Thank you both for the valuable insights regarding refinancing pressures and liquidity resilience. Given the upcoming senior unsecured and covered bond maturities, it’s clear we need to ensure we have sufficient capital to meet these obligations. I would like to share that our CET1 position at FY25 close is currently 12.4%, which is above our internal target of 11.5%. Additionally, our MREL requirement is 24.0% of RWA, and we are currently at 22.7%. These metrics will help us gauge our position as we consider the Tier 2 issuance. Can we also explore how these metrics align with our expectations for balance-sheet growth moving forward?
[R2.2] Treasury Funding Manager (speak, public): Given the CET1 position of 12.4% and MREL requirement at 24.0%, it seems we are in a solid position. However, I still need clarity on the expected regulatory headroom and any unpublished performance commitments that could affect our market flexibility. Can we discuss these factors further?
[R2.3] Finance & Investor Relations Partner (speak, public): To deepen our discussion on expected regulatory headroom, I recommend we analyze our current capital metrics in relation to projected balance-sheet growth. This will help us understand our flexibility in the market and any implications for the Tier 2 issuance. Additionally, I can share that the timing for our ESG-linked issuance requires KPI assurance by August 31, which may also influence our approach. What insights do you have on the potential market execution conditions?

[R3.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (speak, private to=Treasury Funding Manager,Finance & Investor Relations Partner): To progress our discussion, I think it's crucial we analyze how our current capital metrics align with our projections for balance-sheet growth. Specifically, can we assess the expected regulatory headroom in light of the upcoming Tier 2 issuance and any implications from the ESG-linked issuance timeline? This will help us gauge our flexibility in the market.
[R3.2] Treasury Funding Manager (speak, public): To wrap up our discussion, I believe we should continue investigating the expected regulatory headroom and the implications of any unpublished performance commitments. This information is critical for us to finalize our approach to the Tier 2 issuance and ensure alignment with our liquidity and capital strategies. If we can gather these insights, we can make a more informed decision moving forward. Are there specific next steps we should take to obtain this information?
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[R5.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (leave, public): 
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[R10.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (leave, public): 
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[R12.1] Regulatory Capital Manager (leave, public): 
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